Posts by Ray Frankz

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What are the reasons for the the new electronic publisher card

by poopie in

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please speculate.

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Ray Frankz

Please, where did you guys got this info? I need to drop it accidentally in a conversation.

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Are You Proud of Your Country?

by snugglebunny in

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some people are of the opinion that it doesn't make any sense to be proud of one's nationality because we had nothing to do with where we were born.

the decision wasn't ours.

they opine that it's ludicrous to be proud of our countries' prior achievements if we had no part in those achievements because we weren't even around then.

Ray Frankz

After realizing politics isn't a "devil" thing and it's not better or worse than religion, I started to analyze myself and find out how I stand concerning politics. What I'm sure so far:

I'm pro democracy

I'm pro free market

I'm pro the laicism of state as much as I'm pro of freedom of religion (yes, I'm against what's happening in Russia)

I'm against laws that make it easy for civils to get guns

and, concerning the topic:

i'm against nationalism.

in my opinion what caused the holocaust wasn't the political position of Germany. This position, indeed, caused the war, but in the war there were two sides killing people, holocaust was genocide and in my opinion this was caused by the nationalism. We are too far in the human history to let the coordinates where we are born dictate who we love or who we hate.

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Are the 8 superstar Popes planning a purge?

by Sour Grapes in

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there are over 8 million jdubs and i would venture a guess that at least 20% to 30% are pimo.

in my opinion, the kingdom hauls are only half full for two reasons....many have left but the majority are pimo and any little excuse will keep them home and they will report their token ghost hours in service.

all it takes to stay home is being tired, too much school homework or i will go next week, no doubt many have taken part-time jobs and the fear of working the second shift and the guilt of missing meetings is gone.

Ray Frankz

"All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether or not these are Bible based or appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."

Is the "bible- based" part factual?

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Anti-JW movie on Netflix?

by Ray Frankz in

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i'm watching the new netflix movie "come sunday".

it's one more film about a person who has turning point in life that demands the person to reevaluate his own faith and belief system.

in this case, the man is a petencostal bishop that gets very famous and has a big church preaching about salvation to heaven and punishment in hell.

Ray Frankz

I'm watching the new Netflix movie "Come Sunday". It's one more film about a person who has turning point in life that demands the person to reevaluate his own faith and belief system. In this case, the man is a Petencostal Bishop that gets very famous and has a big church preaching about salvation to heaven and punishment in hell. At one point he realizes the hell doctrine isn't right and start teaching the Universal Salvation. As expected, he faces prosecution, loses friends, etc.

I was wondering, is it possible one day we see a big $ production based maybe on CoC of Ray Franz? The story is much much better than the one in this netflix movie, and since CoC is a long time published book, the Org wouldn't be able to shut the production. Imagine how many JWs have Netflix accounts, the temptation to sneak in the APOSTATE movie? Of course the Org would make all the threatens (disguised as advices) but c'mmon, IT WOULD BE A EX GOVERNING BODY (actually I believe no more than 10% of the JWs know there were ever a GB member that ended up disfellowshipped). Or if they made it a series, with the Ray Franz plot as the center, but with episodes focused maybe in Penton, or Carl Olof Johnson. It would be an apostate Hit.

I really think that, even tough information is free today, that would be a punch the Org wouldn't recover.

PS: I've pictured a movie based on CoC many times, I'd die for hearing the song FREEDOM by Anthony Hamilton (from Django) as the main theme. The lyrics also move me a lot, as I'm a PIMO.

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Cart witnessing at the Toyota Grand Prix

by Dagney in

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picture 185,000 people on the streets attending the biggest event in long beach.

there is a main downtown street which is the only way into the grand prix.

it’s chaos because it is not private property that can be contained; these are working boulevards with cars and people vying to get where they want to go.

Ray Frankz

Even awake now, having pioneered some years ago (before carts, JW.Org, big screens in conventions and TV JW) I feel fooled when remember the sacrifices I had to make in order to complete my 70 hrs, and now they just play statue for one week and voila, you are the month employee.

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I think I was terribly wrong...

by sinboi in

i have once commented under the topic "are you better off as a worldly person or a jw?

i am a born-in but left nearly a year ago at age 16. i would say when i was a jw and was still fully convinced that it is the truth, i was happier.

i have a hope then.

Ray Frankz

I can assure you that this phase is normal, I believe everybody who ever found TTATT has passed through moments wondering "if I'm not a JW what I am". It's not wrong to ask this, just be patient and you will get the answer. If you end up being an atheist, so it is. If you find a halfway that fits you better, gives U some kind of spiritual peace, so go on.

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You Know You're Starting To Wake Up When...

by pale.emperor in

you start listening to music deemed "unsuitable for christians".

you pretend to knock on the doors.

you explain a jw teaching to someone and realize how ridiculous it sounds.

Ray Frankz

You are pretty sure you won't die for not taking blood.

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If they made 14400k symbolic how many jws would start to claim to be anointed?

by purrpurr in

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since there's debate here about wether the literal interpretation of the 14400k could be changed to symbolic, i was thinking such an announcement would allow for any jw to claim to be going to heaven... in which case i wonder how many jws would suddenly claim to have "been called"?.

i can think of many arrogant holier than thou types who would be jumping on that bandwagon immediately!

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Ray Frankz

There is no such thing as two separate classes of Christians.

All christians are equal but some christians are more equal than others.

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Doublethink

by Ray Frankz in

hi guys, it's been a while since i've posted here.

i've already made a topic making a comparison between the org and a totalitarian government based on orwell's animal farm.

(https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5699607742906368/christian-farm).

Ray Frankz

Bobcat, exactly that. It's impressive how it can be hard to see a truth after years hearing a lie.

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Doublethink

by Ray Frankz in

hi guys, it's been a while since i've posted here.

i've already made a topic making a comparison between the org and a totalitarian government based on orwell's animal farm.

(https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5699607742906368/christian-farm).

Ray Frankz

hi guys, it's been a while since I've posted here. I've already made a topic making a comparison between the org and a totalitarian government based on Orwell's Animal Farm. (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5699607742906368/christian-farm)

Now, basing on another work of his, 1984, I noticed another comparison. In this novel, he tells us about how the totalitarian government of the story control the people with something called DOUBLETHINK that summarizing is "to keep two opposite and conflitant ideas on your mind and accept both of them." When I read the novel, I didnt really understand how it was possible, and I concluded that it wasn't. Well, this month, in the middle week meeting, we studied Matthew 24. I ran a search on google on the subject and I found an article (in portuguese) with a way more sofisticated and reasonable explanation of this.

It said, in a not very long text, that Jesus was talking about TWO different happenings, 1) the destruction of Jerusalém and 2) the judgement day. It put very clear the differences:

The destruction of jerusalém: There would be a signal like wars and diseases; the gospel woulbe be preached and it would occur in that generation.

The judgement day: Nobody can know when is it, the christians should keep on the watch, the world would be proclaiming "peace", not "wars and diseases".

In a few words: Jesus was telling very clearly WHEN Jerusalém would fall while hiding when the world would end. The point is, the JW are taught that He was talking all the time about the same event.

So, it's clearly two different "days", with diffrerent, sometimes opposite characteristics. I think, how I never saw this before? I know the flaws of the org for a long time but I never had seen this. They teach two opposite ideas at the same time. It's the best example of Orwell's doublethink I can think of. Almost 8 million people have at this very moment these opposite ideas on their mind AND THEY ACCEPT BOTH. Creepy. Looks like Orwell was prophet after all.

PS: Good news, after "great tribulation" I made clear to my parents and my girlfriend that the org is not holy and we can't trust it as we trust God. There's no talks about leaving yet, but these things take time. I think important to see now they questioning what they read and listen, and simply not doing things they understand as simply manmade rules.